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Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 245	Posted - 2013.08.29 20:32:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: The new skill is needed because the Tactical Reconfiguration one gives a fuel reduction to Strontium Clathrates. I'm pretty sure you guys don't want to overflow your cargo with those Also, remember the bastion cycle time is only 60 seconds when maxed. For Incursions, you can always pulse it on / off depending on circumstances. You need Jump Portal Generation for the Covert Jump Portal Generator, even though there is a useless activation cost reduction there, too. Anything else?
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 249	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:15:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Time for another update. We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes: Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode. We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time. Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes. I will change the OP to match the changes. Good job, you've ruined Golems and Vargurs for lvl5s. ******* pointless.
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 249	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: Time for another update. We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes: Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode. We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time. Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes. I will change the OP to match the changes. You give them an MJD bonus so they can pull range, and here's a bonus that'll only work at, at best, 18km. Is there any ******* thought that goes into these changes at all?
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 250	Posted - 2013.09.04 18:47:00 - [4] - Quote Battle Cube wrote: Ravasta Helugo wrote: Battle Cube wrote: Silvetica Dian wrote: some of us liked the 1st iteration more :( the new version is almost identical to the original - the bastion mode still behaves the same still having high resists and great local tank. Only now, the regular mode isn't nerfed to compensate. Furthermore, in situations where you would attempt to leave bastion mode in order to get reped, your resists don't go down, meaning its a whole lot more possible to accept reps. Before, pre-bastion your tank was the exact same as it is now. Same mods=same stats. Post bastion you got a flat 30% resist and 100% tank boost. Now, pre-bastion you get a 37.5% tank reduction, with a very modest (and situationally useless) EHP boost. In bastion the tank is boosted to 45% higher than the current non-bastion amount. That's a significant difference. Now you get tank reduction? But doesn't it get a higher tank due to t2 resists? Golem in an Amarr mission now is going to fare much worse than before. Since its racial resists are kin/therm, it'll now suffer in EM and Explo-heavy missions.
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 252	Posted - 2013.09.05 00:13:00 - [5] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Caleb Seremshur wrote: Darkwolf mate are you serious all you have to do is put 1x em hardener in to your mids and you've got like 60% global resist profile..... Level 4 missions... if you fail so bad you need 80% resists on a TECH TWO RESISTS BATTLESHIP then you should just biomass, I'm not even joking. I run an RNI with 2x invul fields and have NEVER come close to losing it in a level 4.. because I don't suck at this game. So basically waste more slots on tank, which ruins the point of using a marauder. That was the draw of a tanking bonus, to use fewer slots for tank. If a change negates that, it's not a good change for the ship so far as PvE is concerned. You have got to be joking. Wasting slots? It's one slot. Your average t1 ship fits 3-5? You really must be shitting me if you think that anyone will give you a ship that requires no tanking modules at all while being able to tank any level 4 (some of which can deal nearly 1k dps) without breaking a sweat? I don't bandy the term carebear around much but you sir clearly deserve the title if you do indeed such a severe degree of hand-holding and mollycoddling. You want my RNI fit? I'll get it for you. [Raven Navy Issue, Raven Navy Issue fit] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Large Micro Jump Drive Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet Target Painter Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Ionic Field Projector I Vespa II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Zainou 'Snapshot' Cruise Missiles CM-605 Zainou 'Deadeye' Missile Projection MP-705 Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-805 Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 Vitals are: 1200dps - 117km range 80k EHP top speed of 460m/s + MJD The thing you must understand is that over a certain level you don't even need to fit tanking modules. Not significantly anyway. While the fit I've posted is pretty much just for running missions it could serve as a guideline for how to fit a golem so here goes Golem (odyssey 1.1) [Golem, Golem solo stuff] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Large Micro Jump Drive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner EM Ward Field II Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II Small Tractor Beam II Small Tractor Beam II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Low-grade Crystal Alpha Low-grade Crystal Beta Low-grade Crystal Gamma Low-grade Crystal Delta Low-grade Crystal Epsilon Low-grade Crystal Omega Zainou 'Deadeye' Missile Projection MP-705 Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-805 Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-905 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 As you can plainly see only 2 tanking modules + rigs to extend your tanking cycle vitals are 1100 dps Top speed 360 + MJD tank is 51k EHP, 220 sustained tank , 530 burst tank - 4min 30s cap life. If you need more than this you are terrible at this game. Even without the crystals you should be FINE for any level 4 I can think of. Now try level 5s. 2500 DPS EM/Therm and you're neuted dry permanently. Go.
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box Urine Alliance 252	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:45:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: To quote this other post. CCP Ytterbium wrote: We haven't decided on anything regarding Marauders yet regarding web bonuses, remember until release this is an open discussion we're having. We will still be running internal tests on both proposed versions on the Marauder thread, as well as some other variations - so consider yourself warned if things evolve in the future. And by that we mean, Winter release is still quite some time away, we want to take our time to shape those things right, and see them on public testing before coming up with a final decision. Theory crafting is nice, but they also need to be put into practical situations. Yes, truly the epitome of practicality, giving a web strength bonus to a ship that also has a role bonus to a module that jumps you 100km in any direction.
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 261	Posted - 2013.09.30 18:51:00 - [7] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Just think about it this way: Say you put 2b into a Vargur. 4guns/3neuts, mid slots for MJD and dual XLASB tank, low slots 3 damage mods, DC, TE. 1b for the hull and 1b for mods. What combination of ships that costs 2b can kill you? The only thing is a massive blob of cheap T1. Basically any gang in T2 or higher ships will never be able to kill you unless they both outnumber AND out-ISK you. That's the definition of broken. lol
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 261	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: a reasonable trade off for the resistance problem could be found in doing the following: bringing back tech II resistances but not full tech II. give them the same resist profile that field command ships used to get. for an example look at the pre-boosted astarte stats on evelopedia this will make the ships allot more viable in non-bastion mod but the 30% bonus to all resists would make the ship way op (even with modified tech II resists). so remove the bonus from shield and armor and just make the 30% bonus apply to hull resistance. so now you get your psuedo tech Ii resists in either bastion or not but you get that 78% omni resist profile from bastion for hull. that's ******* stupid
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 261	Posted - 2013.09.30 19:35:00 - [9] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Grarr Dexx wrote: MeBiatch wrote: a reasonable trade off for the resistance problem could be found in doing the following: bringing back tech II resistances but not full tech II. give them the same resist profile that field command ships used to get. for an example look at the pre-boosted astarte stats on evelopedia this will make the ships allot more viable in non-bastion mod but the 30% bonus to all resists would make the ship way op (even with modified tech II resists). so remove the bonus from shield and armor and just make the 30% bonus apply to hull resistance. so now you get your psuedo tech Ii resists in either bastion or not but you get that 78% omni resist profile from bastion for hull. that's ***** stupid care to explain why other then acting like a ****? you basically gave it the worst of both worlds and you can't even see what the hell is wrong with your idea?
Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 261	Posted - 2013.10.01 11:28:00 - [10] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Why are lvl 4 scrubs still pretending you need tank to do lvl 4 missions? I use my golem for 5s amigo!

Grarr Dexx Snuff Box 262	Posted - 2013.10.02 01:20:00 - [11] - Quote hey, for my level 5s I actually need the MJD to get the ** away from the scorching damage, don't touch that ** yo

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